9mm. This OAL dimension shows the industry standard (SAAMI spec.) PF = 118. Unique for 9mm luger. High-volume shooters have learned that the 9mm Luger is simple to load, and very economical. JavaScript is disabled. Anything longer than that, and you may have functioning problems. However, finding the "optimum" OAL for your particular rifle requires a bit more information than most reloading manuals provide. They all had slightly different guidance for minimum OAL. You will likely find that by sticking to (or near) the maximum OAL, that your rounds will be more consistent- key to making accurate ammo. They don't list the HAP bullet in the manual. Im using a newly refurbed SDB to load Berrys 124 grain, TCJ FMJ, with 4.5 grains of Unique. 1,382 Posts . the manuals seem to read 1.169 oal , but when i look up the manufacturers specs they say 1.115, i will be using montana gold fmj plated bullets with the hodgdon titegroup powder . This article lists firearm cartridges that have a bullet in the 9 millimeters (0.35 in) to 9.99 millimeters (0.393 in) caliber range.. Case length refers to the round case length. On the left is a Rem. Case length refers to the round case length. 38 Special. When setting up my bullet seating die, I took a middle ground. Generally that length is best for that load, however, there's a difference between safety and how well a specific load operates in a particular firearm. This seems extremely short. For this reason, it is designated as the 9mm Luger by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition … Apr 28, 2014 #1/7 I am new to reloading and have reloaded less than 1000 rounds of 9mm. I loaded up some Friendswood 115gr LRN bullets for my S&W Shield 9mm. I'm primarily loading for target practice/plinking. Thank you. FMJs, and the manuals (yes I use three) say the minimum OAL is 1.142" and the maximum OAL is 1.169". Do not go below the Minimum OAL Bullet Min OAL Max Charge weight of Bullseye 115FMC 1.120" 5.0 gr 125 lead 1.150" 4.9 gr 125 FMC 1.150" 4.9 gr 147XTP 1.140" 4.2 gr A shorter OAL than standard (maximum) will be more sensitive to variations in powder charge, and therefore more challenging to load consistently. 38 Caliber.357” Diameter. Rating - 0%. I notice a lot of people give their suggest loads and bullet preferences but no one talks about the overall bullet length. 41 Caliber.410” Diameter. Hornady's 9th Edition, Lee's Modern Reloading 2nd Edition, and the data in the fold-up reference that comes with a set of LEE reloading dies for .45 ACP. Our Fallen Members. I measured WWB 9mm fmj's I am using currently for crimp & OAL. Ive read a lot here and online and bought two reloading books. This article lists firearm cartridges that have a bullet in the 9 millimeters to 9.99 millimeters caliber range. 380 Auto (ACP) 9mm Luger (Parabellum) 357 Sig. The Lee manual does list minimum OAL for 45 ACP loads. 44 Rem Mag. I do not see any OAL for loads as tested in the Lee manual for 45 ACP. Minimum 10mm OAL? tx4guns 0 tx4guns 0 Group: Members; Member ID: … Frankly, I don't use data from the web, even from here, unless I can find it also published somewhere else. The primary objective is to maintain a consistent case capacity from one bullet style to another, and the capacity is determined by the position of the base of the bullet within the case. The maximum is just an industry standard to which all commercial ammo, and guns, are standardized for reliable function. They don't list the HAP bullet in the manual. The Lee and Hogden manuals show a minimum OAL of 1.100 and loads of 4.3 to 4.8 grs. A forum community dedicated to all pistol owners and enthusiasts. In those cases, I will compare a few of those bullets to known bullets I have on hand, and adjust accordingly. So I set it to 1.164. Here's how I determine seating length for my 9mm bullets. This seems extremely short. The minimum length, as you seem to understand already, is for safety reasons- reducing the OAL in a given load can greatly increase pressures due to the decrease in case volume. Acme 115 gr RN over 3.7 gr Titegroup @ 1.13" OAL cycles fine most of the time, but about 1 in 40 will not eject properly. 38 Caliber.357” Diameter. 10mm Auto. Well the max OAL for 9mm is 1.169. 44 … 0 0 0. A forum community dedicated to handgun owners and enthusiasts. 41 Rem Mag. What I recommend you do, then, is start with the minimum load listed in your load data at whatever exact length you want, and gradually work up your load from there. So I set it to 1.164. Max is the 9mm cartridge spec max and in theory a round made to that length should fit and function in all guns. Start at 10% below the max load and work up gradually. Followers 0. Was half expecting to see numbers in the 3's, just didn't think the case would hold that much--definately won't be an issue with double charging. For example, I recently bought a large quantity (for me) of FMJ bullets made by Rainier. 41 Caliber.410” Diameter. Your rounds may get hung up on the feed ramp, they might catch on the magazine lips, or they might fail to align with the chamber in time. 9mm Caliber.355” Diameter. Was half expecting to see numbers in the 3's, just didn't think the case would hold that much--definately won't be an issue with double charging. They tested with a Hornady case and Win SP primer. I had e-mailed X-Treme and they recommended an OAL of 1.06. The limited loading data I have available to me, suggests that this is a good OAL. You may want to compare that to Lymans 49th edition or some other known good manual as I don't know where you arrived at 5.3gr. I found that due to the shape of the bullets and the Shield's chamber size I had to seat them to 1.070 in order for them to properly chamber. for a particular cartridge. For example, my reference books for 9mm Luger show max OAL of 1.169 inch and min OAL of 1.090 inch (for the powder and bullet I'm using). My variations get as low as 1.154 and the minimum length for the powder bullet combo is 1.150. Generally that length is best for that load, however, there's a difference between safety and how well a specific load operates in a particular firearm. Seems to work very well so far. Suite 500, Troy, Michigan 48084 USA. Also check out p157 on min oal. You may want to compare that to Lymans 49th edition or some other known good manual as I don't know where you arrived at 5.3gr. 357 Magnum. I am reloading on a lee single stage press. Sign in to follow this . I shot a string of 11 of these bullets and measured the velocities. I’ve only made about 6 bullets to test for OAL so far. These collets have coolant inducing features that direct coolant flow. That's quite a spread in my book. ; OAL refers to the overall length of the loaded round. 3.0 grains Winchester 231 825-849 FPS 0.954" OAL 3.4 grains IMR 4756 825-849 FPS 0.954" OAL. They only list minimum OAL. There will be some variation in the length of, say, 124 grain FMJ bullets from one manufacturer to another, due to differences in ogive radius, jacket thickness, and base geometry. I make 9mm that go from 1.075" to 1.135". it just seems like a big difference in lengths and from what i have read it seems to make a big difference in 9mm on how deep you seat them . I use 147 gr. I measured my WWB 115 grain at 1.16 and they cycle flawlessly in my 9mm Commander. PF = 120. However after doing some reading/searching, it seems as though most people load their 9mm with a much short OAL. Will start with a small batch loaded at 5.5 gr. I just started reloading within the past 6 months. Now … Do not go below the Minimum OAL Bullet Min OAL Max Charge weight of Bullseye 115FMC 1.120" 5.0 gr 125 lead 1.150" 4.9 gr 125 FMC 1.150" 4.9 gr 147XTP 1.140" 4.2 gr The OAL/COL for both rnds is 1.150, which is where my question comes in. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. However, the tables give a minimum OAL. Bought some X-Treme 124 gr 9mm HP’s to test. Will start with a small batch loaded at 5.5 gr. Opposite is true too, as shorter OAL increases velocity by reducing case volume thus increasing case pressure. Am absolutely amazed at 5.5 gr. im having a hard time understanding the oal of a 9mm bullet. They only list minimum OAL. I like to shoot for the center of that range. I found that due to the shape of the bullets and the Shield's chamber size I had to seat them to … Come join the discussion about optics, hunting, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! I guess my worry is going below the min OAL. I have used 4 or 5 sources for my load recipes, Hornday, Speer, and Lyman to name of few so I believe I have a fundamental idea of how loads run. I won't be loading any "hot" loads. Apr 28, 2014 #1/7 I am new to reloading and have reloaded less than 1000 rounds of 9mm. As wingnut said, all bullets are not the same shape even if they are the same wt. Start at 10% below the max load and work up gradually. Powders include Vectan , Vectan, Hodgdon, Accurate, Vihtavuori, Alliant, Winchester, IMR I was curious what some factory rounds have. Cause if I set it any higher I could be making bullets don’t fit in magazines. The 9×19mm Parabellum, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm Luger is a firearms cartridge that was designed by Georg Luger and introduced in 1902 by the German weapons manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken (DWM) (German Weapons and Munitions Factory) for its Luger semi-automatic pistol. By tx4guns, March 4, 2008 in The Home Brew forum (Reloading) Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Recommended Posts. Well the max OAL for 9mm is 1.169. Rating - 0%. Max OAL for 9mm is 1.169" and the load data has a minimum OAL of 1.095 (Lee load data) to 1.100 (Winchester load data). Discussion Starter • #1 • May 29, 2019. 40 S&W. 44 Special. Am absolutely amazed at 5.5 gr. The maximum OAL of 1.169 is standard SAAMI spec for the 9mm Luger. Anyone using these and what OAL … Just with a visual 1.60 looks pretty good but 1.06 looks way too short. The Lee manual does list minimum OAL for 45 ACP loads. so I lock my die in at 1.1565" and I hold plus or minus 0.0005" just to be safe. They range from 1.190 to 1.260 with different powders for 230 grain jacketed bullets. Shot from Sig P238 ***Our bullet has a different profile and is shorter than others when loaded when comparing 100grn bullets*** 9mm Auto: 125grn SVC CN-C I am reloading on a lee single stage press. That is bullet + case. 357 Remington Maximum. They could work fine in some guns, but would not be good across the board. I had e-mailed X-Treme and they recommended an OAL of 1.06. Widely used by military and law enforcement agencies across the globe, it’s also the most popular choice among action shooters in both handgun and PCC competition. of Unique. Always go back to the books, in my opinion, for safety's sake. Hornady 9th manual lists the oal with the 115 XTP-HP in 9MM at 1.075". Our Fallen Members. The starting grains for Unique stated in the Lee manual (p508) is 5.5gr for 115 gr XTP and states the min OAL is 1.125. Followers 0. Ive always known that OAL is extremely important in rifle rounds (I used to load .303 back in the 70s), but whenever Ive measured handgun cases in the past like .357, .45 ACP or 9mm, I never saw any of them getting anywhere close to max OAL. I loaded up some Friendswood 115gr LRN bullets for my S&W Shield 9mm. I measured WWB 9mm fmj's I am using currently for crimp & OAL. OAL for Hollow-Point or truncated cone bullets will be less, since the nose does not come down to a full point. Outdoor Hub, LLC (d/b/a Carbon Media Group), 3290 W. Big Beaver Rd. im having a hard time understanding the oal of a 9mm bullet. I mentioned the Lee manual because that is the OP's source of data. OAL refers … That is exactly what I thought but was not certain. Hornady 9th manual lists the oal with the 115 XTP-HP in 9MM at 1.075". 12.5 to 12.9mm, 12xD, 150mm Max Depth, 16mm Shank Diam, 215mm OAL, Replaceable-Tip Drill If I thought the type of people on this forum got their kicks out of giving wrong or in some cases dangerous information.. tx4guns 0 tx4guns 0 Group: Members; Member ID: … I want to stay in standard pressure ranges. Shot from Sig P238 ***Our bullet has a different profile and is shorter than others when loaded when comparing 100grn bullets*** 9mm Auto: 125grn SVC CN-C Hornady 9th Edition lists Bullseye with a start … This seems extremely short. I used 4.4 to 4.5 grs of W231. I couldn't find any data specifically for these bullets, so I compared their length to that of a Hornady FMJ bullet of the same weight, and found them similar enough to use the Hornady data. I mentioned the Lee manual because that is the OP's source of data. I wouldn't waste my time and definetly risk my well being on information retrieved form this site. They range from 1.190 to 1.260 with different powders for 230 grain jacketed bullets. I guess my worry is going below the min OAL. 0 0 0. Those published loads have been tested to be safe at that specific length, and they will always fit in your magazine. The 1992 Reloaders Guide published by Hercules ( maker of Bullseye back then) lists this for 9mm Luger. For this reason, it is designated as the 9mm Luger by the Sporting Arms and Ammunition … COL is cartridge overall length or OAL or LOA. Hornady's 9th Edition, Lee's Modern Reloading 2nd Edition, and the data in the fold-up reference that comes with a set of LEE reloading dies for .45 ACP. I am a newb so sorry if this has been covered. In my experiments with 9mm (testing everything from 115 gr plated RN to 145 gr Acme coated lead FP's) - the effect is small: Between 5 and 10 feet/second increase in velocity for every 0.010" reduction in OAL. The limited loading data I have available to me, suggests that this is a good OAL. Also check out p157 on min oal. JavaScript is disabled. tapetrowsky, I try to get OAL values from the bullet manufacturer whenever possible, since nobody tests a given bullet more than those who made it. My variations get as low as 1.154 and the minimum length for the powder bullet combo is 1.150. The Fiochi on the right is 1.55. That's why I would always try to find some exact data for a particular bullet, if you are not loading FMJs. … Shorten up a round too much, and you'll be loading a 9mm powder charge into a .380 sized volume- not a good place to be. Minimum 10mm OAL? Those published loads have been tested to be safe at that specific length, and they will always fit in your magazine. Using bullets from Jacketed, XTP, Lead, Copper Plated. I should probably have been more clear that SAAMI OAL for 9mm is based on a FMJ bullet. 44 Caliber.429” Diameter. Going to try and call X-Treme and double check. The 1992 Reloaders Guide published by Hercules ( maker of Bullseye back then) lists this for 9mm Luger. My bullet seating die is currently set so OAL comes out at 1.12 inch. The challenge is different bullet types and brands and weights have different shapes and lengths. Minimum 10mm OAL? for a particular cartridge. It would help to add the AOL to all these great suggested loads. Max OAL or COL is a SAAMI spec, it does NOT mean that is the length you load to or the length that works in your pistol. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Frankly, I would recommend going as near the maximum OAL as you can, because of the better margin of error offered in that regard. Second Media Corp., 111 Peter, Suite 901, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. 9mm Caliber.355” Diameter. I'm just setting up to reload 9mm. 38 Special. I'm aiming for an average of 1.125". This OAL dimension shows the industry standard (SAAMI spec.) My loads fall well within the recommended guidelines for max load and OAL, however, I'm wondering why my OAL's are so variant. 40 S&W. the oal in the manuals is a MINIMUM for safe pressures. But, to me, it's the HP's that I want to be especially certain I have good OAL data on, since their geometry can vary widely from one style or brand to another. However after doing some reading/searching, it seems as though most people load their 9mm with a much short OAL. 357 Remington Maximum. Reading the Lee manual and tables, Lee recommends seating the bullet to maximum OAL for best accuracy, which for a .38 Special flat point is 1.55". of Unique. I’ve only made about 6 bullets to test for OAL so far. From what I gather seating the projectile down to an OAL of 1.2000" is about as short as you'd want to go but no shorter. Hornady 9th Edition lists Bullseye with a start charge at 3.9 and a maximum at 4.6 grains. 9mm OAL Variance Thread starter S1991; Start date Apr 28, 2014; S. S1991. the manuals seem to read 1.169 oal , but when i look up the manufacturers specs they say 1.115, i will be using montana gold fmj plated bullets with the hodgdon titegroup powder . Fast forward to setting everything up now.....I had my Bullseye recipe that said minimum OAL 1.12 for the 115 gr. By tx4guns, March 4, 2008 in The Home Brew forum (Reloading) Reply to this topic; Start new topic; Recommended Posts. ; All measurements are given in millimeters, followed by the equivalent in inches between parentheses. 357 Magnum. 10mm Auto. Unique for 9mm luger. Just with a visual 1.60 looks … When your reloading manuel notes a minimum OAL for a specific load it is telling you not to load this recipe below the stated minimum overall length. Joined Dec 10, 2013 Messages 31 Likes 0. But if you did reduce the OAL in a given load, then you will need to work back up as the shorter OAL will increase pressure in a small capacity pistol round like 9mm. However, finding the "optimum" OAL for your particular rifle requires a bit more information than most reloading manuals provide. 9mm Luger / 9mm Parabellum (Lee Precision Data) reloading data with 479 loads. It's just too easy for someone to make an honest mistake- maybe they typed in a 6 instead of a 3, or typed HS-6 instead of HS-7. 3.0 grains Winchester 231 825-849 FPS 0.954" OAL 3.4 grains IMR 4756 825-849 FPS 0.954" OAL. 41 Rem Mag. When your reloading manuel notes a minimum OAL for a specific load it is telling you not to load this recipe below the stated minimum overall length. Come join the discussion about optics, gunsmithing, styles, reviews, accessories, classifieds, and more! The 9mm Luger (9x19mm) is the most popular centerfire handgun cartridge in the world. 10mm Caliber.400” Diameter. Cause if I set it any higher I could be making bullets don’t fit in magazines. The minimum length, as you seem to understand already, is for safety reasons- reducing the OAL in a given load can greatly increase pressures due to the decrease in case volume. 9mm. The 9×19mm Parabellum, 9mm Parabellum, or 9mm Luger is a firearms cartridge that was designed by Georg Luger and introduced in 1902 by the German weapons manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken (DWM) (German Weapons and Munitions Factory) for its Luger semi-automatic pistol. I was curious what some factory rounds have. 45 Caliber The OAL/COL for both rnds is 1.150, which is where my question comes in. I'm interested in Magtech's 95gr JSP. Joined Dec 10, 2013 Messages 31 Likes 0. Minimum 10mm OAL? Fast forward to setting everything up now.....I had my Bullseye recipe that said minimum OAL 1.12 for the 115 gr. I have a similar question to the OP. Ive always known that OAL is extremely important in rifle rounds (I used to load .303 back in the 70s), but whenever Ive measured handgun cases in the past like .357, .45 ACP or 9mm, I never saw any of them getting anywhere close to max OAL. Sign in to follow this . From what I gather seating the projectile down to an OAL of 1.2000" is about as short as you'd want to go but no shorter. 9mm OAL Variance Thread starter S1991; Start date Apr 28, 2014; S. S1991. The majority of the rounds fall between 1.123" and 1.127". white box that measured dead on 1.12. Acme 115 gr RN over 3.8 gr Titegroup @ 1.12" OAL has cycled fine all the time, but will only lock back the slide about half the time. Bought some X-Treme 124 gr 9mm HP’s to test. I do not see any OAL for loads as tested in the Lee manual for 45 ACP. … Some data I have seen does not give OAL (such as bullets made by companies that don't publish loading manuals). They all had slightly different guidance for minimum OAL. it just seems like a big difference in lengths and from what i have read it seems to make a big difference in 9mm on how deep you seat them . What I recommend you do, then, is start with the minimum load listed in your load data at whatever exact length you want, and gradually work up your load from there. For the Red Dot 3.3 gr. After all your unwanted critquing do you have any worthwhile information to share with me? 380 Auto (ACP) 9mm Luger (Parabellum) 357 Sig. Just with a visual 1.60 looks pretty good but 1.06 looks way too short. Most round nose (RN) 9mm will run better just shy of that, around 1.135". ER coolant collets for holding cylindrical shank tools without flats on toolholder sytems with coolant through capabilities. Naturally you will control pressure by regulating the amount of powder you put behind any given bullet and don't forget that magnum primers can increase pressure as well. 10mm Caliber.400” Diameter. You will have a larger safety margin if you stay close to the maximum OAL, as the larger case volume will be less sensitive to increases in powder charge, as compared to a shorter OAL. 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